1: Terrible Quality
One of the things that plagued the earlier models was the quality of the parts themselves. This paired with the average grunt’s ability to clean rifle, is a perfect recipe for a shitstorm of problems. Adding in the fact that this rifle was issued before an active war, and was rushed to adoption by itchy government officials, this doesn’t make the rifle seem any better. Issues included corroded bolts, extractors, broken firing pins, etc. Those problems were subsequently covered up, and then it came to nip them in the ass in the engagements in the Sandbox. I have heard a Commonwealth soldier say something along the lines of “We had two Land Rovers at one point, one of them was for comms, the other was a cleaning factory.” This is because the metal in the guns were so prone to corroding, that after even some training practices, they had to keep those clean or else the metal would start corroding on them really quick.
Heck, even the G36 is a better rifle than the L85/SA80, and there is a couple of reasons why
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The way you charge the rifle bugs the crap out of me too. Like why wouldn’t you devise of a normal charging system like everyone else?
Bullpup rifles are rather niche when it comes to both the civilian market, and when it comes to the benefits and “quirks” of a bullpup platform compared to other configurations, like standard configuration, paratrooper, or even a PDW for that matter, they don’t really stack up. With a longer barrel length and a shorter weapon profile, you can get more velocity out of a shorter package, true, but the added complexity of having to move the entire action behind the trigger, and near to the stock of the rifle. You add loads more parts to the firearm that can cause it to fail or hiccup, and the biggest concern is the trigger group and linkage. With a standard rifle, you act directly on the trigger, which leads to a more firm, quick, and positive response, while also remaining simple as possible. With a bullpup, you introduce the linkage, and a sear that it acts on. That in turn adds 3 more axis of motion at a minimum, which in turn makes the trigger more mushy, and introduces more failure points. And another thing as well, ergonomics come into the picture. Majority of service members are trained with standard rifle configurations, and likely to the point where it is engrained in muscle memory. To retrain those service members on a completely new platform where it has all of the controls in a different place and a general distaste to what hand the shooter is dominant with, that makes it all the more difficult to retrain. In general, the bullpup configuration offers very little to justify its benefits, compared to the negatives it deals out.
2: Ergonomics
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In conclusion, the reason why more nations do not use the SA80 system and bullpups in general, is because of the poor track record (SA80), poor ergonomics (SA80 and bullpup), added complexity (bullpup),
Simple, its not a super great rifle compared to other rifles.
3: The Relevancy of Bullpup Rifles
Hi everybody! I have been looking at posts on narcs and narc abuse on here and if has really helped me out a lot. I am currently struggling with my situation and need some advice/support.
I met a narc last year, everything seemed to good to be true. Love bombing, always texting calling and taking me on dates. Everything changed when someone warned me about him out in public in front of him and who he is. This caused a conflict with us and the love bombing seized.
he would tell me that everything is okay and i can come and talk. He would set a time limit on me and kick me out after that.
he would then text me like everything was fine and we hung out again and after that he completely ghosted me for one week. He came back and texted me a week later laughing about the ghosting and acting like nothing had happened.
he continued to text me ( not like in the beginning) make plans with me, then on the day of the plans he would just ghost me. One day he would act interested the next silence.
i contacted him a month later and he acted like nothing happened. He was on a vacation and sent me a picture of another woman ( someone he allegedly met on the trip) to strike a reaction but i never gave him one. After the trip he came to my place and was extremely rude, accusing me of going on dates with a bunch of men. The next day he accused me of being an alcoholic and that he wanted nothing to do with me but said well maybe we can be "friends" then ghosted me
i assumed at this point it was over and i would never hear from him again. He contacted me on the holiday a month later acting like everything was great. We ended up hanging out a month or so later and when we hung out it went well, i thought things were going in the right direction.
after we hung out.. silence. I would try to text him and if he replied it would be very short then he just stopped replying. He ghosted me for almost three months. I thought he was done this time and of course he popped up again like nothing happened. At this point i was getting sick of if so i questioned him as to why he dissapeared and always does this. Of course he had some sob story about a injury and family member dying of cancer. I felt pity for him and he gave me an apology.. so i took him back stupidly.
things seemed to be going smooth for a couple months, of course until his family member died and his injury got better he never contacted me and was distant. Menawhile, i was there for him during the difficult time for him. He lied to me about the funeral and never wanted to chat. I was chasing him and he would always claim nothing was wrong but when i said i thought he used me when he was down he could not handle it and would always tell me he didnt care and to go away. I would get so upset i would try texting him to work it out he would barelt respond and if he did he would not be nice about it.
we did hang out a couple times after that, he would ignore me after. One day i was like hey i think you are seeing someone else, and i was like well ixam seeing someone so no problem if you are he said " buy bye good luck with your new guy stop contacting me" i was devastated and tried to get into contact with him for weeks then i just gave up and accepted it was over. He ended up contacting me a month later acting like everything was fine. He wanted to go out and have drinks i told him i would. He and i both seemed to have a great time. He ends up ignoring me again. I kept texting him trying to figure out what was wrong. He kept saying everything was fine and i said ok can we hang out again? He said maybe i was like why? He just kept saying maybe …
our last conversation we had… i said what is wrong ? He said nothing is wrong everything is fine. I asked him why he keeps saying maybe. He said " maybe but i dont want to see you right now" i said why? He saix " im just not feeling it, if i wanted to date i would" i said why did you contact me less then a week ago wanting to go out? He said i didnt.. even though he did. So i said should i just move on or what? He said whatever you want to do. So i said that he was really confusing me and asked him if he had anything more to say before i move on? My messages were turning green so i panicked he blocked me and reacted irrationally. I said " omg did you block me? My messages are not going through. Even texted him on my work phone asking what was up. And called him twice ( please dont judge me i know it is pathetic i never was this type of girl before him) so he replied and said " Ok I'll block you now" then immedietly blocked me. He has never blocked me before since I have met him he will just ghost. Is this ths final discard aka " grand finale? Did i just push him too far?
this has upset me so much its hard to even function.
Out of any bullpup, the ergonomics on this thing are probably the worst. When you stick this thing next to a FAMAS, the FAMAS feels like a KelTec (they are pretty decently balanced), and a KelTec is probably better than an L85. The ergonomics on this is like spoiled milk and rotten egg, not very good. It’s a heavier gun when compared with the AR, with the front of a gun being a chode to hold onto without a vertical foregrip, and pretty much says “fuck you” to all those who shoot left handed. It also is a rear heavy gun, which in my opinion is worse than a front heavy gun. Not only that, the optics that were issued with them generally had terrible eye relief, with a poor reticle, poor FOV, and non adjustable (albeit that is a civilian grope.). Was so bad that when the United States started handing out ACOGs to everyone, they took ‘em and they took ‘em fast.
